Our Esteemed Guests

Many of our esteemed guests have published works that they spoke from or about. With parallel missions of passing on information, most of these published works produce the foundation of truth. Each book, and webpage is worth taking a look at and read through as they bring a wealth of "real" information that you can use.


Check back often as we are always inviting guests to join us here at the Chaotic Navigator.

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Betsey Kulakowski

Betsey is a Certified Occupational Safety Specialist and holds a degree in Emergency Management.
She worked for the Oklahoma Department of Labor for over 27 years. During that time, she conducted over 1,000 on-site safety consultations for private sector employers. She went on to become the Assistant Director of the Public Employee's Occupational Safety & Health (PEOSH) unit. Her role required her to conduct enforcement inspections, including fatality investigations.
During her time with the State, she was called to serve at disaster sites to ensure worker safety. It began with the Murrah Bombing in 1995, and continued at the World Trade Center site and later, in New Orleans after Hurricanes Katrina/Rita. Following the tornadoes in Oklahoma, she was often part of the boots-on-the-ground teams working to keep recovery workers safe.
Her experiences as a safety professional and investigator informs her writing. "You can't turn it off," Betsey says. "Safety is a value and always finds a way into my stories. My characters don't always make good choices, and must often face the consequences of their actions."

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Audrey Gray

Audrey is an Emergency Programs Manager for the Municipality of Anchorage Office of Emergency Management.  She grew up in Wyoming and later attended Colorado State University where she earned her B.S. in Microbiology.  She is a former Peace Corps Volunteer and has worked for the Casper-Natrona County Health Department (Casper, WY) as an Environmental Health Specialist and the Public Health Preparedness Manager for 16 years.

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Audrey joins us from the Municipality of Anchorage Emergency Management team, see more about them at:


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Andy Murphy

Andy Murphy who founded The Secure Dad in 2016 realized that every parent is a protector. Andy’s passion is to help families live safer, happier lives. When he was in high school he came to the realization that his safety was his personal responsibility. And it was that mindset change that has not only kept him safe but his friends and family as well. The information Andy provides is based on proven methods, experience, and study. While not a member of law enforcement or the military he has made family protection the study of his life. He has attended numerous security conferences, taken safety courses, attended federal training, and continually reads industry-leading books to stay on top of his game. Plus his personal experience practicing situational awareness for more than 20 years helps Andy provide reliable information. His Amazon best-selling book Home Security: The Secure Dad’s Guide has helped thousands of people around the world. You can hear Andy on his weekly podcast, The Secure Dad Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and all of the major podcast providers.

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Chip DeBlock

Chip was born and raised in Tampa, Florida in 1962 and graduated from the University of South Florida in 1983 with a B.A. in Criminal Justice. He worked with the Tampa Police Department for 30 years (1983 – 2013) and retired as a detective. Chip is best known for his work in Organized Crime, Public Corruption, Adult Entertainment and being a Whistleblower.  He co-founded the LEOAFFAIRS.COM law enforcement website in 2002 which sold in 2014. Chip created the LEO Round Table law enforcement talk show on 12/14/2015 of which he is currently the host.

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Wayne Moulder

Wayne Mulder is a law enforcement officer, speaker, writer, and the host of the On The Blue Line podcast. Wayne is an advocate for law enforcement officer total health programs and a believer in empowering law enforcement officers in their personal lives. For more on his mission visit OnTheBlueLine.com.

His Story:

I started a landscape design/ build company in my twenties which I later lost. This experience taught me valuable lessons, both positive and negative. Coming to Law Enforcement in my thirties allowed me to gain more life experience prior to coming into this career and also gave me a different perspective. 

I had no intention of "being a cop." However, my plans changed as my story unfolded and now eleven years later, I would not have missed it for the world. Over the last decade, I have worked in patrol, investigations, and as a Sergeant over investigators. I also teach at a local law enforcement academy, where I began to see the great need for providing law enforcement with the tools for the demands of their career. 

This led to starting of the On The Blue Line Podcast in 2019. The loss of a fellow deputy to suicide shortly after starting the podcast became my "why" and the driving force behind On The Blue Line. 

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Jessi Beyer

Brought a message of mental understanding that we are still enjoying. Jessi explained the physical and chemical interactions that happen within the body and mind following a large-scale trauma for an individual. The biggest take-a-way was that regardless where one may find themselves following after a traumatic event, evaluating our responses, we are well within normal. Her show airing on 14 December 2022 helped us to understand our mental response to trauma.

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John H. Davis

Helped us to grasp the contributions that military veterans can make in helping us to establish a "command and control" within a disaster. Bringing a wealth of high-stress management techniques makes our veterans the perfect beacons within the storms of our lives. His show airing on 11 January 2023 will definitely be worth it.

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